是的，这地方公共交通设施超级棒，但是电动自行车还是十分必要。我只是希望它们能够更好的被监管，比如强制性遵守红绿灯、避开人行道、携带危险物品要被罚款。
HotNatured United States 2 points·1 day ago
educo_ United States 1 point·20 hours ago
I'm getting around the law by paying money and registering outside the city the poor people are getting around the law by riding ebikes. The law is pointless and just makes people's lives 麻烦
Absolutely. No city in the world should allow private cars. China should lead he way.
I think they also been freight tricycles (those guys creating noise pollution by ringing a bell all day and carrying boxes.) I say goodoｎ that front too. Don't need that noise pollution.
摩托车被禁止的原因不止一个。它们被禁止是由于噪音污染、安全问题、缺乏保险法规（在这个国家没人愿意为摩托车投保）和废气污染。被禁的理由不止一个啊。替考虑污染问题的政府说句公道话，他们已经把大部分的公共汽车换成了电力和混合动力车，并制定了一些世界最严的车辆环保标准，因此他们的目标很明显是要消除国家对石油的依赖，并且减少噪音污染，这对于一个人口稠密的大城市来说是一个重要的问题。
“这是由哈利戴维森和杜卡迪的中国分支推动的。”
MikeLaoShi Scotland 2 points·1 day ago
[Noise? What about cars? They make noise too]In Shenzhen-Longgang I choose to walkoｎ bicycle's lane because it's theoｎly place where there isn't eBikes assholes riding frenetically.
[The e-bike driver was riding in the wrong direction]真相了！这就像中国的两轮交通，但有很大噪音的汽油发动机，没有单独的自行车道。
xiefeilaga 6 points·1 day agoYou're really starting to move the goalposts here with your cherry-picking. The greater point in my comment was that the police disproportionately target motorcycles and scooters for enforcement while allowing many cars to slideoｎ by because the former tend to be driven by people without the means to protest or fight back. Your cheap vehicle examples would also fall into this category.
Now we're going to start seeing cities trying to rein them in but they'll be careful because they don't want to piss off such a large constituent group. I know Chengdu has banned them in the city center except for bikes registered for commercial purposes. Kunming has tried a few times to set up a registration system but Kunming really sucks at urban management。
我仍然认为它们比摩托车好。绝大多数电动自行车都达不到即使是小型燃气摩托车的速度，它们的声音更小，而且当然更清洁。不过它们可能确实需要开始让人们获得行驶证并遵守交通法规。
[那起死亡事故是汽车司机造成的，而不是骑电动自行车的人。]
Really dependsoｎ the country. Holland and Denmark are probably the big two but this is a recent thing as well. Most other cities have plenty infrastructure for cars. I have no idea why more people don't use motorbikes and scooters in those places. Maybe the weather encourages cars for distance travelling and for short distances people prefer bikes for health reasons?
Electric bikes are also banned in many areas. You must have a business license to rideoｎe like McDonalds or Meituan riders. Package delivery drivers like SF and Jingdong now must use licensed 3 wheel electric vehicles with company logos the old shitty wagon in the back style are banned and being phased out.
goodguyonline 3 points·1 day ago
那就制定法律说摩托车在排放尾气时若制造出超过一定分贝的噪音是违法的。这是除中国之外其他所有国家会做的，而不是干脆全面禁止摩托车。你听说过法拉利或者兰博吗？它们吵得要命。
因为99%的中国双轮摩托车手因无视所有的交通法规而制造了不必要的交通危险。在我住的城市里，摩托车和电动自行车都是禁止的，这样使得开车更安全。至今为止我见过的唯一一件有人致命的交通事故就是跟电动自行车有关......看到一具尸体躺在街上让我很震惊，但是我并不惊讶。这就是100%缺乏常识再加上无视交通法规的结果。
Yeah that's a fair point. Here in Shanghai I generally prefer (shared) biking for anything under say 6km because it doesn't lose me too much time if any. Dependsoｎ the area too as this central area is just way more pleasantoｎ the bike.
Electronic bikes are a necessary evil. Everyone from your kuaidi to nainai with a cart full of boxes uses them. There is no alternative to this to fit a city of millions.
dandmcd United States 22 points·1 day ago·edited 1 day ago
ssdv80gm2 3 points·23 hours agoTruth! It's like the two-wheel traffic in China but with loud gas guzzling engines and no separate bike lanes.
Visit Taipei and you'll understand the banoｎ motorbikes.
Don't they ban then for all but uniformed workers of kuaidi and waimai in some cities? Their drivers are so extremely lawless I personally think thats the route all cities should take.“Cars are typically driven by wealthier people”
shenzhenren 0 points·22 hours ago
So then all the chinese companies producing small motorbikes just started producing electric versions. Now all the poor people ride these because they're classed as electric bicycles and hence legal.
任何一辆摩托车的噪音都比公路上的普通汽车大。现在的汽车都是悄无声息的，在中国很少有人开着一辆噪音大的老破车。
Just imagine the quiet clear air if Beijing prohibited all petrol engines inside the second ring road and then expanded that ban ring road by ring road until the whole city center was nothing but electric cars and electric bikes. Think of the peace and quiet! Think of the slightly fresher air!
[this was pushed through by Chinese wing of Harley Davidson and Ducati.]
They probably do need to start making people get licenses and follow traffic laws though.
电动自行车确实令人生厌。从你的快递到奶奶的一车箱子，每个人都需要用电动自行车。在上百万人口的大城市中，，没有东西能够代替它。
Noise? What about cars? They make noise too. That's almost as bad an excuse to ban them as the "pollution" angle. Since cars produce more pollution than bikes.
我还没研究过这种混合动力自行车，但如果它是汽油发电驱动的，警察是可以没收的。我之前看到过人们在打击行动中失去了他们的电动自行车。
PlueberryBancakes 1 point·18 hours ago
Also thievesoｎ motorbikes. There used to be bao an'soｎ the corners with 2-3 meter long Vaudeville-esque hook-poles to deter thievesoｎ bikes.
这又不是在1997年。现在普通人都开得起车啦。
seilgu2 1 point·23 hours ago
Answer: because Chinese traffic is fucking dangerous enough already without the higher cc motorbikes screaming around.
Geek_Fortress_China 1 point·12 hours ago
PM-ME-YUAN 3 points·1 day ago不过，汽车发生的事故比摩托车多得多。中国危险的道路都是那些固执地认为自己是无敌的而其他开车的人都是垃圾必须从这条路上滚开别挡他们道的这种人造成的。我敢打赌，那起死亡事故是汽车司机造成的，而不是骑电动自行车的人。我经常看到电动自行车手在自行车道上优先行驶时被白痴的汽车司机右拐时撞飞。
FileError214 1 point·18 hours agoAnd have you ever heard a Ferrari or Lambo? They're loud as hell.
Yeah I'm not against that idea either. Make all do a "real" driving test and institute severe penalties (such as removing the license to drive completely) for any kind of road safety infraction (like driving without wearing a seat belt turning/switching lanes without indicating etc) and we'll be a long way towards the goal of reducing the number of carsoｎ the road in short order.
PlueberryBancakes 1 point·16 hours ago·edited 16 hours ago
I thought this was pretty much just American cities. Aren’t European cities pretty good for walking/biking and public transit?
且自行车和摩托车的法规非常糟糕。因为骑摩托车的人认为他们可以在马路、人行道以及任何有混凝土的地方行驶，而法律太宽松无法惩罚他们，所以比起在交通问题上头痛不止，禁摩更方便简单一些。由于警方宁愿使用摄像头而不是让警察去街上监督，他们抓不到大量闯红灯、超速行驶或在熙熙攘攘的人行道上行驶的摩托车。