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老外讨论禁摩 是一种什么样的体验?(6)

Nope but you came within a few miles of guessing why they're so reluctant to crack downon e-bikes: poor people. While city governments dragged their feet e-bikes became a major transportation tool for China's urban working class and even lower middle class.

不幸的是,电动自行车对日常生活和快递来说是必须的。不像摩托车,电动自行车没啥噪音而这不错。我觉得这是不错的折中办法。如果连电动自行车都要禁,那你要大多数没有汽车的人怎么活动?应该做的事情是严格遵守交通规则,还有禁止在人行道上行驶。

On an ebike I can do the same journey in 20 minutes in comfort.

aghicantthinkofaname 2 points·16 hours ago

【噪音?那汽车呢?它们也制造噪音。】

那个电动自行车手在桥上的3车道限速线+应急车道上开错方向…这怎么会是汽车司机的错?更别提那座桥上禁止开电动自行车。忽视应急车道上是不能行驶汽车的。中国人都是可怕的司机,但是电动自行车手比中国道路上的任何一切都更糟糕。有很多交通事故发生,但是大部分都是物质损失。

“他们可以各种编借口,但真正被禁止的原因是骑摩托车的是穷人,而政府憎恨穷人。”

PlueberryBancakes 2 points·17 hours ago

那么,为什么尽管西方不禁摩,也似乎没有任何这种问题?他们可以各种编借口,但真正被禁止的原因是骑摩托车的是穷人,而政府憎恨穷人。

Electric bikes are unfortunately necessary to daily life and fast delivery. Unlike motorcycle they're not noisy which is good. I think it's an okay compromise. If you ban them too how will the vast majority of people without a car move around?

他们肯定没有在允许自行车通行的地方强制执行,快递小哥按着喇叭在人行道上骑行真的荒唐可笑,如果这些规则有好好强制执行下午的话,电动自行车就不至于这么让人难以容忍了。

美国城市正在发生一件有趣的事情,随着城市化规模扩大,市中心变得更加适合步行或骑自行车。在我小时候,我的家乡空空荡荡(除了无家可归的人)。现在越来越多的办公室变成公寓,人们住在里面,也在接受了步行、骑自行车甚至摩托车的生活方式。

That's not the fault of motorbikes though. It's the cars causing the danger so why do they get a free pass? Should ban cars lol.

这并不是摩托车的错。危险状况都是汽车造成的,那他们为什么不搞个汽车通行证呢?应该禁掉汽车才是,哈哈哈。

还有骑摩托车的小偷。以前在拐角处会有保安,拿着两三米长的杂耍式钩杆,来阻止骑摩托车的小偷。

FileError214 0 points·17 hours ago

[They can throw out any excuses they want but the REAL reason they're banned is because poor people ride them and the government hates poor people.]

FileError214 0 points·17 hours ago

MikeLaoShi Scotland 1 point·21 hours ago

作为一个拥有合法注册有车牌的摩托车的人(每当我需要做任何与注册有关的事,都必须去一个离城市60公里的小镇),这令人恼火。

总结:每个人车开得都跟傻子一样。

They can throw out any excuses they want but the REAL reason they're banned is because poor people ride them and the government hates poor people.

You can tell this is the true reason because lots of Chinese cities have now started offering expensive motorbike registration plates to allow rich people to ride expensive motorbikes this was pushed through by Chinese wing of Harley Davidsons and Ducati.

老实说,快递小哥为了按时送到货不得不这样开车。

leanhsi Great Britain 2 points·22 hours ago

我认为只有美国城市这样。欧洲城市不是很适合步行、骑自行车和公共交通出行的吗?

aghicantthinkofaname 1 point·22 hours ago

Cities CLAIMED they were banning motorbikes due to pollution but now some of these companies are even producing electric bikes with inbuilt gasoline generators to keep the battery charged.

在深圳龙岗,我会选择在自行车道上行走,因为这是唯一一条没有那些骑电动自行车飙车的混蛋的路。

It’s not 1997. Plenty of average Zhous have cars now.

回答:因为即使没有这些呼啸而过的大排量摩托车,中国交通还是这样的危险。

没错。没有城市应该允许私家车上路,中国应该带头示范。

Noise of any motorbikes are higher decibel than any common caron the road. Cars these days are whisper quiet and very few drive around a loud old clunker in China.

tbh the kaudi guys have to drive like that to make the delivery times.

在许多地区电动自行车也禁止使用。必须有营业执照才能骑,比如麦当劳或美团骑手。顺丰和京东这样的包裹快递员现在必须使用带公司标识的三轮电动汽车,旧版的劣质货车禁止使用并被逐渐淘汰。

Because 99% of Chinese 2-wheele riders are making traffic unnecessarily dangerous by ignoring all traffic rules. In my city motorbikes as well as most electric bikes are banned and it makes driving so much safer.
It's better than America but "insanely good" is a massive overstatement. You're still crammingon sweat boxes and having to stand shoulder to shoulder with everyone as you spend an houron a 10KM journey.
[I bet that fatality was the fault of the car driver not the e-bike.]

很多城市禁摩是因为摩托车被视为是穷人的“战驾”,而且让城市“市容不佳”。

去台北你就知道什么是禁止摩托车的规定了。

中国的先行规则跟其他地方不一样.....

Your point that cars are typically driven by wealthy people? No that doesn’t stand. That’s not true. How much does a QQ car or a Wuling van cost?only rich people can afford them?

我通过付钱和在城市外面登记来绕过法律,穷人通过骑电动自行车来绕过法律。法律是没有意义的,只让人们的生活麻烦。

Hairofthe 2 points·18 hours ago

omkmg United States 4 points· 1 day ago

错,但是你差点就能猜出他们为什么这般不愿意打击电动自行车了:因为穷人。尽管城市政府拖拖拉拉,但是电动自行车成为了中国城市工人阶级甚至中产阶级下层的主要交通工具。

I just wish that they were better regulated such as forced to obey red lights made to stay off sidewalks and penalized for carrying dangerous loads.

Also the regulations for bikes and motorbikes are really shitty so it was easier to ban them instead of having constant traffic headaches since motorbike owners believe they can rideon the road sidewalk wherever there is concrete and the laws are too lax to punish them. Since the police prefer to use cameras instead of officerson the street they can't catch the numerous motorbikes speeding through red lights or drivingon busy pedestrian sidewalks.

The noise pollution of the gas powered motorbikes wasone of the real issues not the fact that they are for the poor people. I visit the county of Foshan Shunde often or go into Panyu of Guangzhou and it is much noisier than being in the Guangzhou center. Also it has to cut downon the motorbike taxi beggar gangs in the cities that were a real nuisance (anyone in Guangzhou years ago could tell you how huge of a problem they were)。

[固执的汽车司机][电动自行车手开错方向]

所以所有生产小型摩托车的中国公司开始生产电动版的。然后所有的穷人都开始骑这种电动车,因为它们被列为电动自行车,所以是合法的。

当然豪华轿车会被通行,有钱人就可以为所欲为,穷人就得忍着。我同意你的全部观点,我只是不同意每个有车的人都很有钱这个观点。你在春节期间有没有去过乡下啊?

If you actually went and looked at the lawson the books in your city I'm guessing many of the most popular models would technically be illegal. In Beijing any e-bike that doesn't have backup pedals is actually illegal. But the cities dragged their feet setting up some kind of enforcement mechanism to stop people from selling overpowered bikes and to license them in some way and the bikes took over.

对,我也不反对这个想法。让所有人都“货真价实”得通过驾考,严惩(像完全吊销驾照)各种违反交通法规的行为(像开车不系安全带,不按指示变道等)这样的话我们将在很短的时间内实现减少道路上车辆数量的目标。

One interesting thing that seems to be happening in American cities is that as urban sprawl continues the city center becomes more walkable/bikeable. When I was growing up our downtown was deserted (except for the homeless). Now more and more offices are turning into condos and people are actually living there and embracing the walking/biking and even scooter lifestyle.

你的观点是汽车通常是有钱人才能开的?不,那不成立,那不对。一辆QQ或一辆五菱面包车要花多少钱?只有有钱人才能付得起吗?

Sure you'll see your occasional migrant van pulled over but if you think fancy sedans are getting stoppedon the reg you're making things up.

jiang_zemin Mongolia 8 points·1 day ago

PM-ME-YUAN 0 points·1 day ago

Right of Way in China is not like in most other places...

Chinese driving conditions won't change until road law enforcement becomes a reality.

So what you have now is all the poor people still driving around the cityon electric powered gasoline engine having bikes.
Motorcycles and scooters are peasant-mobiles and so cops can focuson them with impunity.

是的,这是个中肯的观点。在上海,小于6公里的话我更喜欢骑(共享)自行车,因为这样不会太浪费时间。当然也取决于地区,看看这个地方适不适合骑自行车。

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