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老外讨论禁摩 是一种什么样的体验?

Yeah it's crazy how insanely good public transport is here yet the bikes are still clearly a necessity.

DanSensei 1 point·1 hour ago

dandmcd United States 3 points·1 day ago

“每当我需要做任何与注册有关的事,都必须去一个离城市60公里的小镇。”

PM-ME-YUAN 2 points·18 hours ago

This is just silly. Cars are already bad and you want to make things worse by adding something even more annoying and louder? I'm delighted motorbikes are banned in my city the oddone that does come roaring through is annoying enough turning the place into Hanoi would probably be enough to make me leave

leanhsi Great Britain 1 point·22 hours ago

PM-ME-YUAN 2 points·23 hours ago·edited 23 hours ago

这比美国好,但是“太好了”就过誉了。当你用一个小时经过10公里的路途时,你仍然会汗流浃背,并且和人们挤在一块。在电动自行车上,我能够舒舒服服的用20分钟走完同一路程。

There are a lot of car accidents but most of them areonly material damage.

HotNatured United States 1 point·23 hours ago

因此现在变成所有的穷人仍骑着汽油发电的电动自行车。这项法规已经失去其意义,都这份上了为什么还要设立这项法规呢?

I don't think you're arguing in good faith so I'll stop here.

在一个大城市里,普通人的阶级水平还是比摩的司机要高得多。我坚持我的观点。

不是的,如果他们有影响力,那么你的城市就会有一些昂贵的车牌可以让你合法骑摩托车。我在这儿的期间,人们一直是在小城镇里注册摩托车的,在任何一个中国城市禁摩托车前就是如此。即使城市允许骑摩托车,它们(的发电机)也通常被限制在100CC左右。杜卡迪和哈雷并没有游说政府给他们制造一个漏洞。这只是摩托车经销商找的关系,才能注册,因为如果他们不这样做,卖出一辆摩托车就费劲了。他们一直不得不这样做,因为在城市里那些大的快的摩托车从未被允许。

FileError214 1 point·15 hours ago

[pig-headed car drivers]

Lots of cities banned them because they are considered the chariot of the poor and make the city look "untidy".

PlueberryBancakes 1 point·18 hours ago

那种事情被禁止你不应该感到高兴,你剥夺了人们的自由。中国有很多人以安全合法的方式骑摩托车。

你能看出来这才是真正的原因,因为中国很多城市现在已经开始提供给有钱人骑的昂贵的有注册车牌的摩托车,这是由哈利戴维森和杜卡迪的中国分支推动的。

[has to travel to a small town 60km away from the city whenever I need to do anything registration wise]

They sure as hell aren't enforcing where the bikes are allowed to go. Kuaidi guys riding through pedestrian sidewalks and spamming their horn gets kinda rodonkulous. If the rules were enforced they would be much more tolerable.

Cars get into far more accidents than motorbikes though. The dangerous roads in China are caused by the pig-headed car drivers that think they're invincible and everyone else is a lower form of life that needs to get out their way. I bet that fatality was the fault of the car driver not the e-bike. I frequently see ebike riders taken out by idiot car drivers turning right when ebikes have right of way.

汽车通常都是更有钱的人开的,要是他们停止违反交规那还要交警还干嘛。摩托车和踏板摩托车都是穷人的驾座,所以警察不会将惩罚注意力集中在他们身上。所以在道路执法成为现实之前,中国人的驾驶条件是不会改变的。

在一个完美的世界里,一旦国内市场有足够的电动汽车,城市政府将在未来几年内逐步淘汰汽油发动的汽车。想象一下,如果北京二环内禁用一切汽油发动机,然后一环一环地扩大禁令范围,直到整个市中心只有电动汽车和电动自行车,那时的安静和清新的空气。想想那清净!想想那更加清新的空气吧!

PM-ME-YUAN 0 points·1 day ago

As someone who has a legally registered motorbike withone of these plates (who has to travel to a small town 60km away from the city whenever I need to do anything registration wise) it's just annoying.

我不想告诉你真相的,但是不论你在哪个城市,你都在非法驾驶。你的摩托车可以说是合法注册的,就像它在法律上是属于你的一样,但是他们仍然可以罚你的款,甚至没收你的摩托车,因为在你的城市摩托车是不被允许的。你能不受处罚,是因为他们现在正专注于其他事情。

The e-bike driver was riding in the wrong directionon the over-take lineon a bridge 3 lanes + emergency line in each direction... how is this the fault of the car driver? Not to mention that e-bikes where prohibited to driveon that bridge. Ignoring that there would have been a emergency line with no cars drivingon it.

Of course luxury cars get a pass. Rich people can do whatever they want and the poor people usually get fucked over. I agree with your overall points I just disagree with your assertion that everyone with a car is wealthy. Have you ever been to a village during Spring Festival?

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