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老外讨论禁摩 是一种什么样的体验?(5)

你开始“摘樱桃”式地偷梁换柱我的观点了。在我的评论中更重要的一点是,警方很常将摩托车和小型摩托车作为执法对象,而允许很多汽车开过,因为前者通常都是些没有手段抗议或反击的人。你廉价的汽车会让你被列为那一类人。你肯定有看过偶尔被要求在路边停靠的外来货车。但是如果你觉得豪华轿车会被拦下是因为编造牌照的缘故,那你就是在编故事,你没有在真诚讨论这个问题,那我也就此打住了。

老外讨论禁摩 是一种什么样的体验?

在一些城市难道它们不是全部禁止吗?除了穿制服的快递员和送外卖的员工。他们的司机太无法无天了,我个人认为所有的城市都应该走禁摩这条道。我想他们骑的车应该属于货运三轮车(这些家伙整天提着箱子按门铃制造噪音。)我觉得前面提到的禁止是好事,我们不需要噪音。

I hate to break it to you but you're driving illegally in whatever city you're in. Your bike may be legally registered as in it legally belongs to you but they can still fine you and maybe even take your bike away because they're not allowed in your city. You're getting away with it because they're focusingon other things at the moment.

二、评论翻译

燃气动力摩托车的噪音污染才是其中真正的问题,而不在于摩托车是给穷人骑的。我经常去顺德佛山县的农村,或广州的番禺,那儿比在广州市中心更嘈杂。此外,城市里的摩的、乞丐团伙才实在是个麻烦(任何一个几年前在广州的人都可以告诉你他们的问题有多大)。

No. If they had any pull then there really would be some expensive plate you could get to legally drive in your city. People have been getting their motorcycles registered in small towns for as long as I've been here which is long before any Chinese cities banned motorcycles. Even when motorcycles were allowed in the cities they were generally limited to around 100cc. Ducati and Harley didn't lobby the government to make them a loophole. It's just that the bike dealers seek out connections who can set those registrations up because if they didn't they'd have a hell of a time selling bikes. They've always had to do this because those big fast bikes have never really been allowed in the cities.

PM-ME-YUAN 1 point·1 hour ago

PM-ME-YUAN -6 points·1 day ago·edited 1 day ago

我觉得在台湾摩托车还是可行的,如果你想看看疯狂的摩托车骑手,你应该去越南。

In a perfect world the city governments would start phasing out petrol engine cars as well in the next few years as soon as sufficient domestic-market electric cars are available.
Cars are typically driven by wealthier people who might present problems to your everyday traffic cop if they're stopped for breaking road laws.

如果你真的有去查你所在城市的相关法律,我猜很多最受欢迎的设计在技术上都是非法的。在北京,没有备用踏板的电动自行车其实是非法的。但城市拖拖拉拉地建立了一种强制机制来阻止人们出售动力过大的电动自行车,并以某种方式给它们许可,然后电动自行车取代了摩托车。现在我们开始看到城市试图控制它们,但城市会很小心,因为他们不想惹恼这么大的选民群体。我知道成都已经在市中心禁用电动自行车,除了为商业目的注册的电动自行车。昆明已经多次试图建立注册制度,但昆明在城市管理上真的很糟糕。

What they could do is beeing more stricton the traffic rules though... Also ban them in pedestrian areas.

I haven't observed any of these hybrid bikes yet but if it has gasoline power it can be confiscated by the police. I've seen people lose their electric bikes before in a crackdown.

Chinese people are horrible drivers but e-bikes riders are worse than everything elseon Chinese roads.

WhereTheHotWaterAt 3 points·1 day ago

LeYanYan France 1 point·1 day ago

FileError214 1 point·16 hours ago

Western cities are built around cars

I still think they're better than the motorbikes. The vast majority of e-bikes are incapable of reaching even the speed of a small gas motorbike they're a lot quieter and of course they're cleaner.

So make the law saying it's illegal to have a motorbike exhaust which produces higher than a certain decibel. This is what literally every other country that is not China does rather than just flat ban motorbikes.

PM-ME-YUAN -1 points·1 day ago

城市声称其禁摩是出于污染考虑,但现在这些公司有些甚至开始生产内置汽油发电机给电池充电的电动自行车。

I like motorcycles. I live in a smaller city that still has motorcycles and they are mostly not a problem. But they can be pretty loud. I am sometimes woken up by some douche (or douches) reving at like 2-3 am. Also motorcycles can pretty much go as fast as cars. Electric bikes generally avoid major car roads (they are supposed to stay in the bike lane) because (unmodified) ebikes can't reach car speeds. Motorcycles can swerve and cut through regular traffic in a way that could be pretty dangerous for inconsiderate unaware and/or naive car drivers. My friend from my previous city which does ban motorcycles got into a pretty bad accident because of this. I can imagine that bigger cities ban them for safety and also because the reving noise can be overwhelming at times.

这真的取决于是哪个国家。荷兰和丹麦可能是最大的两个。大多数其他国家有很多围绕汽车出行的基础设施。我不明白为什么那些地方的人们不用摩托车。也许是天气决定用汽车进行长途旅行,而为了健康着想,短途出行就更倾向于骑自行车吗?

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